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El gulag digital | Michael Rectenwald

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okay and we’re now leave so welcome to everyone in our audience to a new uh conversation and new uh we call those the webinars in for the espana confidential channel my name is gusto negolo silva i’m the hispanic america correspondent for espana confidential and today we’re joined by professor michael rechtenwald who used to be a professor at nyu as well as many other universities in the united states he used to teach well about the liberal arts and well a number of other things and now he is joining us to talk about well about a number of things as well oh so welcome professor rechtenwald it’s a pleasure to have you here thanks for having me it’s good to be here all right uh the first question i usually ask our guests in the program is for them to to introduce themselves so if you would like to to do a quick introduction of who you are and what have you done and what’s your main area of expertise that would be great yeah well uh yeah i was a professor at nyu for 11 years and prior to that i’ve taught at duke university and carnegie mellon and case western i’m primarily a scholar and what i consider myself now to be an intellectual entrepreneur i effectively write and speak on issues involving economics politics free speech uh the internet uh i’ve written 11 books uh most recently a novel called thought criminal and before that a book called beyond woke before that a book called the google archipelago the digital gulag and the simulation of freedom and before that springtime for snowflakes uh and before that 19th century british secularism so uh i’m an avid writer and uh thinker and uh write for the mises institute and uh i do some other things as well well i recently uh read an article you wrote for for mrs wire in which you you told the readers about your your intellectual journey from marxism to to libertarianism so i would like you to to explain a little bit more about that what happened in your in your intellectual life and how did you change from one such school of thought to another very different to that one yeah well i mean uh it’s very simple in a way i became uh aware of the totalitarian nature of uh socialism and the left uh by their treatment of me in the in the university uh when i spoke out against uh wokism or woke ideology and uh was attacked by the left in in droves in great numbers and uh uh then i started to rethink my whole world outlook i had a major gestalt shift a whole paradigm shift in thinking and i came to see uh the mistakes in marxism the very serious mistakes and uh the falseness of the creed and uh i saw that first of all you can’t abolish property without first without first destroying people’s rights uh property being important first right in property and oneself is the primary right of any person and so uh then i i did a lot of reading in the uh austrian school and other economic schools but particularly austrian and mises and rothbard and you know i mean i just came to have a very serious critique of socialism and uh so it was a very big gestalt shift that way in your article you also mentioned that you were probably one of the first big victims of council culture can you explain us a little how how did that happen yeah i was probably uh one of the first victims of cancel culture in fact i was canceled before it was called cancel culture uh and you know i i started this twitter account called the anti-pc nyu prof and started tweeting criticisms of uh social justice on campuses and the institution of bias reporting hotlines and safe spaces and trigger warnings and all of these things and i was attacked by this social justice mob in the university and uh they effectively ended my academic career and i didn’t end my intellectual career uh in fact they probably started it in a new way and uh so uh they effectively ended my academic career i i retired from nyu in good standing however with uh after i sued uh five colleagues for defamation of character and we settled in 2019 so i wasn’t really a loser on the end of cancel culture they can’t beat me they can never beat me i feel like i’m like uh well i’ll just say that i’m the mma of of intellectual thought i’m i’m the main i’m the main fighter they they’ll never beat me well you used to teach liberal arts and well about the history of ideas i think at nyu and right one of your main uh interests while you were teaching the was about the the processes of secularization and then the ideology of secularism can you talk a little bit about that yeah i mean i was a scholar of 19th century british science and culture and i still am really uh and uh i wrote about this movement uh called secularism which arose in the 19th century in great britain was founded as such and named by george holyoke in 1851 so i got involved in the whole secularization debate uh there’s a big raging debate in the academy about whether secularization happened or if it’s happening or was it just a myth and uh i i entered into that debate pretty strongly and argued that religion is never going to disappear uh it can’t be eradicated because there’s no everybody must pause it something a priori there’s no way to get away from positing something without having evidence of it and there is everybody starts from first principles that aren’t that are give they have to be given that have to be assumed so uh i think religion is forever and the idea of as secularizationism inevitable processes nonsense we see religion moving into different spheres now and different registers i would say marxism is a religion i would say social justice is a religion i would say wokism is a religion woke ideology you know woke uh the the new rampage uh going on today uh socialism itself is is a religious conviction so religion is here to stay so the question becomes which which religion to embrace really or whether to try to stay agnostic with reference to all of them uh so that that’s that’s kind of the just in a real nutshell kind of work i did in secularism and on the uh secular uh secular movement secularization as a process and secularism as a world view well do you think that this process of secularization that the western world has has been going on for the last centuries uh maybe the reason that were were seen so much of these uh totalitarian movements from the fascism to socialism communism and now uh progressivism and underworld and pc culture and everything yeah these are replacement religions and some are worse than others you know these i mean let’s look at the soviet union in the 20th century for example i mean atheism was basically the state religion and you couldn’t you couldn’t disavow it you couldn’t uh counter it you know religious people were persecuted put in the gulag murdered uh tortured and everything else so it was worse than the inquisition by thousands if not tens of thousands fooled so uh the the idea and then wokism is another religion these are totalitarian religions so in place of religious toleration uh which came about uh through into by the 19th or late 18th century uh we’ve gotten uh totalitarian religions so those creeds that were oppressed like atheism throughout history came to become totalitarian when they rose to when they ascended into power i’m against the re all religious totalitarianism and uh i believe in allowing people to have their own their own beliefs without having them enforced or imposed either by religious or political state agencies uh so uh the only the only rights that exist are individual rights uh and the only way you can preserve them is through individualism so individualism is the only way to preserve anyone’s rights i would say that what i don’t want to see is a kind of reactionary religious right movement again that then becomes as bad or worse than wokism that would be a travesty so we have to right now we have to posit the values that are that are workable and uh and try to uh argue for them without force do you do you still think that any kind of institution whereby the state or some kind of a private agency that has power over people still has some kind of religious leaning yes i mean right now we can see that like as cuba is rebelling against uh dictatorship communist dictatorship ironically the united states is becoming more like cuba uh and so it’s it’s very ironic that the cubans and it’s a sad irony that as the cubans wave the american flag the american state is actually leaning towards communist ideology and it’s permeated the entire we’re gonna or the social body the political apparatuses every aspect of of american society politics economics it’s everything and then this is coming this is not just coming from the u.s this seems to be a uh this seems to be a desideratum of a global elite who are attempting to impose socialism on the ground for the vast majority while they enjoy an oligarchical monopoly on top that’s what i call that’s what the great reset is all about well with the with the pandemic and with all of the lockdowns well there was a huge change in the way institutions and power and even money is is used yes i know we’re seeing a great change and in the in the ground level we’re seeing that people are becoming poorer and that yeah leads are becoming a lot more richer and a lot more powerful we only have to see at the at the g20 at the g7 meetings yes and they’re doing that while they’re speaking about equity and inclusion so they’re they’re spreading this idea of socialism to the masses to get them to accept this two-tiered feudalism that they’re imposing a feudalistic a neo-feudalism is really on the is the agenda where we have a kind of static hierarchy uh with the masses basically uh in a kind of static non-progressive uh non-uh having all their rights and property and so forth abrogated taken away while the mass lobby super oligarchy controls all the resources and the production and they drive all production towards these particular monopolies and they’re monopolizing everything including information uh they’re monopolizing the media they’re monopolizing uh news social media uh they’re going to start to try to monopolize money to the to a much greater extent by instituting a universal digital and then forcing all uh buyers to buy from only approved vendors i mean it’s it’s just a an abomination and uh so how the socialism fits in is that it socialism and woke us woken ideology fit in by virtue of habituating the population to this belief that they’re not worthy or that they should give up their property or they’re going to have it taken away and they should abdicate it and that everybody will be happy uh with nothing having nothing and no rights and you know we saw how the covid lockdowns destroyed millions and millions of small businesses across the world millions in the united states alone what is the united states the united states is the last bastion i’m afraid that they’re trying to get a hold of and even klosh schwab of the wef said that uh national sovereignty is a barrier to the great reset and they must get rid of it that is nations having their own sovereignty is an obstacle to this global agenda i mean they admit it straight up uh he said this recently so the great resets the object i mean that’s the means by which they wish to bring about this new kind of corporate socialism i call it or neo-techno-neo-feudalism uh with a kind of static hierarchy no rights no property for the masses uh total control uh and maybe even the elimination of sec of parts of the population on purpose because they don’t want to uh they don’t want these resources they believe i guess in climate change as a existential threat to humanity and they don’t want us running around in cars consuming uh carbon uh fuel you know fossil fuels and so they’re telling us everything about how terrible it is to run an air conditioner to drive a car and uh they’re driving gas prices up uh in on purpose uh they’re trying to obviate or get rid of uh to make obsolete the uh combustion engine the oil any kind of oil use uh so it’s a it’s a it’s a it’s a master plan and it’s on the table they’re not hiding it there’s nothing hidden here it’s not a conspiracy because there’s no hidden clandestine objective it’s completely open and on the table they’re not hiding this at all there are some some similarities of the great reset policies promoted by the world economic firm and the chinese model yes the china is the model for this entirely uh that is to have these corp you know corporate monopolies who make profit at the top and and everybody else lives in actually existing socialism on the ground and this is kind of this collusion between the state and corporations uh these only these particular approved producers are allowed to to produce and and make a profit everybody else is driven out of business there’s no you know it’s the erosion and disappearance of the middle class or independent production is is one of the objects they’ve got to get rid of that that’s why they’re allowing the destruction of property by while they allowed for a whole year the destruction of property by cove lockdowns and uh by the mass movements of black lives matter uh this is a way to get rid of individual these middle class property holders these are the antifa and black lives matter they’re merely the ground troops for the oligarchs to undertake this well you know there are some similarities between this perspective on on trying to protect individual property rights and so on and so forth with some aspects of classical conservatism such as uh small is good because it allows for for more diversity yes um i would call it either classical conservatives but really it’s classical liberalism that is the belief in uh you know the free market is never ever attained but it should be an object a goal and a it’s asymptotically approached that is you never reach it but it should be maintained as an ideal because when it’s maintained as an ideal then you have more freedom of people to do what they want economically and otherwise and so there is a very strong tie-in between individual rights and the freedom of economic self-determination uh and this is what their enemy is see monopolists of both the socialist and corporatist capitalist type they have a common enemy and that is the free market that’s what they’re trying to destroy free market is what is the enemy of both socialist and corporatist capitalists this is what the left doesn’t understand they’re too stupid i guess to get the point they’re just dumb because they see everything in these ideological blinders they’re told that there’s here’s capitalism and here’s socialism they’re not they’re against each other and you can’t say there’s going to be a corporate socialism because that’s a contradiction am i it’s missing it messes with their heads because they can’t think they’re just they’re brainwashed they’re brainwashed so they’re not able to actually have thoughts you see it takes actual thinking to be to be able to arrive at the kind of conclusions that i’m arriving at but they don’t allow this and this is part of the game plan uh this is why socialism is being pushed on the masses because it keeps them in the thrall to this very narrow idea that there’s no there’s no way that they could be setting up something like a corporate socialist neo-feudalistic system which they are setting up do you think that uh big tech and enterprises like google facebook and all of the social media giants are behind that is a brainwashing especially of university age kids and people who are in the academia too to try to promote this kind of socialism corporate socialism yes big tech is like the leading ideological communications apparatus and uh surveillance mechanism for enforcing all this uh they are the process they are the leading edge of corporate socialism uh they are absolutely essential to its establishment because a big tech controls information and they control news and they’re also going to be controlling uh even individual communications to the point where now biden is proposing that text messaging be censored and for disinformation or any criticisms of the vaccine or the virus responses all this is going to be censored now and disinformation will be disallowed this is part of the whole totalitarian control big tech is a totalitarian regime they are the the digital equivalent of the gulag system that’s what your your book uh the google archive archipelago is about yes absolutely it’s all about that yeah but you you see the the theme with big tech and everything is that well they’re here they are using these fact checkers and these guys are the right now they are the sensors of every very kind of information we’re receiving for example in here in latin america we’re receiving a lot of news about about the cuba situation and especially some of these of these news they are being censored by fact checkers who are telling us that this is delicate content or something like that there is no other reason to censor them they’re telling us here in the united states that the cuban rebellion has to do with people demanding more coverage shots uh and that that it has nothing to do with communism they’re not even mentioning that because they don’t want us to get any ideas because they’re imposing communism on us so they don’t want us to think that cuba is actually revolting against it that’s why i don’t think this is a color revolution instituted by the cia i think it’s actually a spontaneous uprising and if it is a color revolution there is a spontaneous organic element to it and they’ll use it they’ll crush it in any case uh because it’s against the the direction that they’re going the cuban’s gut are getting they’re going against history they’re on the wrong side of history according to the uh mass corporate big digital socialist agenda there was an article in all of a sudden what time is that yeah all right there was an article at the new york times about about the cuba situation which they tell their readers that uh the protesters were were screaming freedom and other anti-government propaganda so corporate media and every kind of information group is that it is actually promoting a a really government-loving ideal yes they they they’re they’re trying to figure slogans like freedom as anti-government they they are anti-government uh in that case their anti-government and if you were to yell freedom in the united states it’s also anti-government uh because the government is is about taking away your freedom uh but in particular it’s interesting what they’re trying to do here is to associate uh this anti-communism that’s a that’s arising in cuba that’s probably been percolating for many many cent decades they’re trying to associate it with uh some sort of right wing and you know anti-establishment uh uh anti-authority anti-state but you know at the same time that the that any any advocacy for freedom in the united states is being associated with white supremacism uh so they have to figure it as as the sort of anti-government uh propaganda because otherwise uh they want to make sure that everything in the united states that’s parallel to that is also dubbed that way why is the is the well big tag why is social media corporate media why why are they trying to to make this false equivalence between radical far-right groups such as the white supremacist with people who are only fighting for their freedom why well they want to dub the whole populist movement and uh any kind of opposition to uh this globalist uh uh hegemony they want to dub it as white supremacist and and so forth it’s just to discredit it and if they can smear it with these labels then they’ll discredit it and everybody that speaks up is afraid to be just tagged to be labeled as a white supremacist this way they’ll keep more people down and keep them from rising up they they want to keep people from uh realizing what’s going on so they want to keep dissidents uh they want to keep them suppressed one way to suppress them is just to slur and slander them with these labels of white supremacists or they’re just privileged you see when i start using the word privilege all the time be careful because what they’re trying to suggest that your rights are being equated with privileges and you can revoke privileges at any time so that’s why they use this word privilege all the time because they intend to revoke these so-called privileges which are really your rights well the the main people who try to promote these uh this anti-privilege worldview are college kids around my my same age yeah millennial consumers and so why do you think that these people are are the ones who are brainwashed in order to to promote that kind of ideas well this was a long process that took place in the universities and it’s now reached the school all the school levels you know what we call grade school in high school here primary secondary education and higher education have all been taken over by leftist ideologues and they’re they are uh they are propagandizing in the place of education what they’re doing is these are basically ideological indoctrination centers where they preclude wrong think by introducing right think which is you know the kind of thing they want the kind of thinking they want and they want uh these believers in socialism because uh like i said that socialism is what they’re trying to establish on the ground this actually existing socialism amongst the masses equality and equity and all this nonsense uh which is just a way of saying you all be equal but you’ll be equally depressed and equally sub uh oppressed and equally without rights and equally without property all be all your privileges will be revoked in other words you will have nothing and be happy just like the world economic forum says right now their main uh ideological direction is to push for critical race theory which yeah well i don’t know why why they are so obsessed with with racial things because that that used to be one of the uh greatest shames of well the far right in the in the past with all of nazism and and everything that happened in in germany during world war ii well they’re trying to fabricate this idea that there’s this vast white supremacism out there which is just ludicrous this is gaslighting in the extreme there is no such thing it’s not real uh they’re trying to actually create it in a way so they can point to it and then try to suppress it and suppress others in the process what they’re using uh critical race theory for doing is to use it as a way of shaming and guilt-tripping people into accepting lesser prospects and lesser rights and less property or no property so basically they’re shaming the majority it doesn’t help the minorities at all in fact it’s very bad for them as well because it makes them believe that they are utter victims and hapless victims of circumstance that they can’t get anywhere and there’s nothing for them to do it also pits white you know these groups against each other and keeps them at at their each other’s throats uh so it’s it’s a real sinister uh ideology and propaganda campaign to uh to shame and guilt-trip and uh make the majority believe they’re unworthy of whatever they have that it all came by vis-a-vis privilege which can be must be taken away so it’s a stripping mechanism a means to strip people of things uh and then at the same time it works on minorities by making them believe they have no prospects because of white supremacy it’s just it’s crazy well you did talk about populism a while ago do you think that populists both in the united states and overseas such as in europe in latin america could be some kind of stronghold or some kind of defense against these corporate socialists yeah first of all populism arises when there’s a deep mistrust of the elite and uh and that and when there’s a sense that the elite are conning people and that they are um that they don’t have our interests at stake that they in fact are working against our interests so this is when populism rises and they want to vilify populism because this is the main opposition to the elite and it’s it’s going to continue to rise although they’re trying to smear it with every label on in the book and to make it look like it’s reactionary uh knuckle dragging uh gorillas who are just stupid and uneducated and so forth uh you can only be smart if you buy into what the elite are saying about everything otherwise you must be an idiot this is what they’re training people to believe and they believe it so dissidents are d are deemed reactionary idiots and this is one of the ways in which they try to uh keep everybody under the same illusions uh by smearing uh dissidents with this with these terrible labels and also making them look like they must be stupid uh knuckle dragging morons uh who who uh just want to go backwards in history or something nonsensical like that so populism is uh is a reaction against the uh uh the elite and uh when people have lost all confidence in the elite in fact despise them that’s what it is well with the with the kovi the lockdowns and the pandemic and everything we saw that they tried to do that with the people who actually tried to understand what [Music] was going on with mandates and right now with the vaccines we don’t have any kind of of knowing about how how our world just being mandated to to put a mask on our faces and to be vaccinated or else or else the people who are trying to say that no we have to we have to check first that they are saying no you’re you’re anti-science you’re not anti-scientist the science yeah going going yeah it’s a very warped scientism what they’re doing is they’re setting up a scientific priestly cast who only allow certain viewpoints to be allowed to be heard therefore it’s actually anti-science while they well they actually boast of it as following the science they’re actually anti-science because they don’t allow inquiry they don’t allow free inquiry and investigation and any findings that come from that inquiry and investigation so it’s the it’s it’s it’s another form of gaslighting everything they’re calling science is actually anti-science because science is about free and open inquiry and they don’t allow free and open inquiry so they use this as a way of enforcing this this particular view which they claim to be based on science but which shuts down most science entirely and it is to enforce the agenda of vaccination and so forth and there’s no doubt that this vaccination regime is just beginning this is not the end of it this series the first two shots this is these are in a long line of vaccination pressure that’s going to continue for years for years uh it’s sad i feel terrible for people that are younger than me i i am only going to live probably let’s see 50 60 70 80 more years so at 150 i’ll still be hearing about this nonsense i don’t think it’s gonna stop they they’re they’re dead set on continuing this vaccine regime and who knows what else is going to happen with it i mean i’m not saying they’re putting chips in it now ships to surveil upon us not yet but it’s possible it is possible and if you want to see how possible it is read my book thought criminal because that’s the premise of the book well i don’t think they don’t need to put chips on their vaccines they already have or our smartphones and our social media they tell everything what else yes they do except for our genetic makeup and uh our body our disease states and uh our absolute whereabouts because um the phone can be left behind or put into a box so that the signals are not transmitted but uh they’re still i mean they have they’re still trying to up the high technology of tracking tracing and surveillance inclusive of possibly interruption of thinking uh in other words uh the possibility of actually controlling our minds is is a prospect actually uh yeah i i’ve been looking into this through ai i worked in artificial intelligence at the robotics institute in carnegie mellon and i can tell you that these projects are on the table that is the inflammation implementation of nanorobots that will be attached to the neurons of the neocortex and will transmit data back and forth to the to the cloud or the internet and when you say back and forth that means they’ll be supplying thoughts and possibly precluding thoughts well the thing about artificial intelligence is well they are already trying to use some kind of algorithms or algorithms in social media in order to to feed us with the kind of content at least they want to make us believe that we want yeah that’s right you see that we’re receiving a a continuous stream of news or of created content on the same themes and i think that the younger people are the most exposed to this kind of content because they are the ones they have also they’re the most vulnerable because they haven’t had the time to develop independent means of thinking and so they’re more apt to be steered by algorithmic steering or algebra algorithmic nudging and and to be more predictive in their behavior predictable in their behavior so once you know it takes years to develop independent thought um for some people at least did for me uh to be able to think independently of uh organizations institutions and other apparatuses that are trying to control thought and i think they’re everybody is under a series of psyops campaigns at all times we’re being buffeted with psyops uh we’re being inundated with psyops psychological warfare at all almost all times uh in order to steer our thinking and behavior well you you told us about uh property rights as some of the most important for for people to be free but what what do you think about education because we’re seeing that education has been weaponized in order to promote an ideology which in this case is corporate socialism and localism and so on and so forth but do you think that when people for example are classically educated can become truly independent thinkers and can become people who will i at least think for their own and not think what the what the reason is giving them i i would say what we need now is uh what i would call de-schooling education uh education that is outside of school outside of all schools and not just home schooling for children but uh auto didacticism for adults uh a kind of purposeful ex self expulsion from the institutions of higher and other learning because these are the most dangerous institutions there are they’re actually the most dangerous ideological propagators that exist at this point these are nauseous noxious poisonous places for the mind so get away from them try to stay out of them and learn by yourself uh auto didacticism this was a this was practiced very strenuously by the working classes in the 19th century and it needs to come back for the vast majority today do you think that the industrial revolution and uh the well the great revolutions in the 19th century were the result of of bourgeois and working classes actually learning by themselves yeah i mean this was a great explosion in wealth production to frank to put it mildly of course it’s figured as this time when the working classes were subjected to industrial capitalism and wage slavery as they put it but the fact of the matter is that there that the standard of living for the vast majority rose exponentially over that period and the labeling of it as bourgeois by the left is just a way of dismissing the obvious benefits that came from uh from free market enterprise it’s never fully free it’s always there’s never a free free market but it’s when the ideal of the free market entered and when industrial capitalism emerged the standard of living went up dramatically for all peoples across the board and uh that should continue but that’s definitely not in the agenda today but no the yes i think there was a great deal of self learning uh there was a great deal of auto didacticism uh it it it did rebel against the educational institutions of the time like oxford and cambridge in england for example and they started to have working-class education for and by themselves and they started to challenge the institutions the dominant institutions who were basically teaching nothing but latin greek and theology that people wanted to learn what they called useful knowledge and useful knowledge became the watchword for self-education so we’re going to see and hopefully a new emergence of something analogous to that in our own time but the problem is that people need credentials and that yes that’s a big problem everything is is based on credentials i mean if you don’t have some kind of diploma or some kind of of title that allows you to do something people are not going to believe that you actually have the knowledge to do so that’s correct that’s correct that’s why parallel institutions do need to rise to emerge that challenge the credentialing systems of these other institutions and that uh eventually compete with and uh win against them these institutions are rotted to the core so other institutions need to emerge that challenge those institutions in their credentialing legitimating function what they are is institutions of legitimation to make people legitimate uh we need other means of legitimating uh people’s knowledge bases and uh experience do you think that to create parallel institutions is as easy as it may sound i mean people are trying the people are heals they call it the guys at the mises institute um well i can’t think of so many other institutions in the us but it’s not that easy because for example let’s see all of the great people in government they are either i believe graduates or something like that yes they use these credentials as a means of legitimating particular people and then those people are indoctrinated in the process so that then their views become the only legitimate views that’s that’s how it works so it is very difficult to erect counter parallel institutions it it’ll take time it’s not going to happen overnight and i’m not here to say that we can do this tomorrow uh it is definitely a process that will take time it took 50 60 years for them to destroy the current institutions it’ll take another 50 to build parallel ones or to gut those completely and start over well also you you see that most of the people who are credentialed and have these uh great universities diplomas and everything they spend they spend a lot of money to get those and most of the people who really don’t have the means to to get that kind of education they stay as some kind of well i’m gonna use uh laurie johnson’s term she’s a i think she’s a distributor so she’s on the on the christian side of politics she calls them the pre-karyat the precariat yeah yeah yeah yeah the prokaryote yeah um yeah we need to i mean they have yeah this a lot of people have been reduced to for very precarious means of income and uh when you’re outside of these major institutions you are subject to the being coming up for carry it and uh this is one of them this is going to be one of the reasons why you know universal basic income and other types of state measures are going to be attractive to a lot of people who have been living on a very precarious income uberized economy if you will uh the you know basically people living on independent and uh basically what do we call it uh uh you know you know people have renting out their homes for for money and people driving their cars and delivering other people’s food and delivering other people to their locations all this stuff these are very precarious work and that that’s going to make this universal basic income very attractive to a lot of people unfortunately because it’ll also be means of slight enslaving them entirely we’re already seeing this with the with the stimulus checks in the united states in other countries because we don’t have the means because we’re actually putter for example in latin america we haven’t seen that but in in the us you are seeing that a lot of people who are uh living on on welfare yeah i mean they’re gonna i mean there’s a way they’re ruling out welfare rolling it out across the whole population uh making it such that uh most people will be really dependent on the state at some point uh this is not the case yet though there’s a lot of it because there’s production backups and short you know the emergence of shortages because people are on unemployment and they do better on unemployment than they would working at least they think so at least it’s you know you don’t have to do anything for it except file something so this unfortunately though is because of the lack of opportunities as the middle class is destroyed um the answer is not universal basic income the answer is to to actually get rid of these oligarchical monopolists who are controlling all the economy well just to because we’re already almost an hour talking so yeah some of your ideas do remind me of some other thinkers for example uh your whole uh well the religious control of of education and institutions reminds me of what that is near reactionary called the manchester book well he’s actually mentioned small bug yeah yeah yeah i mean i agree with i agree with his cathedral model about educa about the institutions the cathedral i i mean i’m not an i don’t believe in like like going back to monarchy or something like that but uh i do agree with his uh his assessment i think it’s one of the best ones out there uh the cathedral understanding of what’s going on this is basically a kind of papacy where you have the cathedral that is that gives the main proclamations that have to be accepted and then they funnel out through the media and the main center of the cathedral is the academy the university system uh yeah i think mo bugs right he’s very very funny and quite smart i read everything uh i don’t care if they label it this that and the other thing they’re not going to stop me that way some some other ideas of of yours reminding for example of uh the juveniles model on power the way it is exercised by an elite and some kind of ground soldiers on yes and also on the nozzle cortez theory of the revolution that we have to somehow uh overthrow the elite in order to restore or to create a new kind of society that is better for the people in in the middle yeah the only thing i would say is i’m wary of terms like revolution in this sense because it’s been co-opted entirely by communists and socialists and so they think a revolution is about destroying capitalism whereas the revolution i want is to make capitalism available to everybody that’s the key capitalism available to all people um that is the only answer well and that would be as well as democracy for everyone because they were seeing some kind of representative formal democracy for people to cast a ballot and then uh the elizabeth are staying in power instead of you know self-government and community building yes yes i think that democracy follows directly from uh from the free market economics once you’re represented in production that is your as consumers your your demands are represented in the productive apparatuses then democracy in the political sphere follows from that so in that sense i’m a slight economic determinist and that i hope that democracy flows from uh property all right so thank you very much professor rectangular it’s been such a pleasure to talk to you it’s been a great talk and well i hope to have you on the channel anytime soon it’s been great so thank you very much thanks for having me it’s great to be here okay bye


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